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Discussion Topic: Thrown Glove
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jake0901 |
07-28-2010 @ 5:39 PM
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14 year old baseball, 2 Umps.... Batter up & a man on 2nd. No one is holding the guy on 2nd on, so the center fielder sneaks in to cover. Batter hits a rocket up the middle to the left of the center fielder between center and right. CF sees the ball is gonna get by him so he throws his glove at the ball trying to slow it down (he succedes).... Batter is on 2nd with a stand up double. Coach argues batter should be awarded 3rd on interference. Base Ump awards batter 3rd... Home plate ump over rules base Ump stating "I never heard of that rule"....Any thoughts?
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DelawareBlue |
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07-28-2010 @ 6:52 PM
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Home plate ump over rules base Ump stating "I never
heard of that rule"....Any thoughts?
Thoughts? If you're going to umpire you should at
least have a working knowledge of the rules... The
award is the same under NFHS, NCAA, and OBR - three
bases if a fielder throws his glove at and hits a
batted ball (unless the umpire judges the ball would
have been a home run then it's four bases). It's three
bases on a fair batted ball, two bases on a thrown
ball, and one base on a pitched ball.
OBR Rule 7.05 Each runner including the batter-runner
may, without liability to be put out, advance (c) Three
bases, if a fielder deliberately throws his glove at
and touches a fair ball. The ball is in play and the
batter may advance to home base at his peril.
Bill
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greybeard |
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07-29-2010 @ 8:48 AM
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I've never seen a kid actually hit the ball with a thrown glove. Usually coaches want the 3-base award just because the glove is thrown.
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Gary_Embrey |
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07-29-2010 @ 10:03 AM
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Here's a question kind of related to a thrown glove. F1 fields a bunt and in attempting to throw to F3, the ball is "stuck" in the glove. He removes the glove and throws the ball and glove to F3 beating the B-R to 1st. Is that a "legal" play? Note whether it's different for NFHS and OBR.
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noumpere |
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07-29-2010 @ 10:17 AM
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Legal in pro rules and NCAA.
2 base award in HS rules.
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greybeard |
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07-29-2010 @ 11:15 AM
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Yet another reason why I don't do Fed. Maybe someday I'll be desperate enough to study that silly casebook so I can take a trip to Fedlandia.
What is the logic behind that rule (rhetorical question, I know.) Clearly the fielder is not throwing his glove at the ball, he's throwing the ball to another fielder.
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Gary_Embrey |
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07-29-2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Detached equipment? Who knows?
Here's another one to think about. Line drive knocks the glove off the hand, the glove is on the ground, ball is in the glove but the ball has not touched the ground. Is the ball still "in flight"?
With the ball still in the glove (remember, the ball still hasn't touched the ground), if the fielder picks the glove up and securely holds the glove or puts it back on, is that a catch?
Yea, I know, I'm stirring the pot. But it is something that makes you think, right?
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Jim_Thompson |
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07-29-2010 @ 1:39 PM
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GB: It's hard not to award two bases under the Federation Baserunning Awards Table
Two bases (batter and runners)
2.Fair batted or thrown ball lodges in defensive player's uniform or equipment.
The actual rule is not quite that specific but the Awards Table is part of the rules book
Jim
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jake0901 |
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07-29-2010 @ 3:59 PM
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To Grey... The batter swears the ball was hit by the glove as it rolled past the CF... Who knows?... I was in the stands and couldnt see if the ball was hit by the glove or not... Next question... If the ball WASNT hit by the glove and it was obvious it wasn't, is there a penalty?... or the batter just gets his stand up double... as he already had...
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Jim_Thompson |
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07-29-2010 @ 4:31 PM
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Was the ball hit or not? The original post said it was because the ball slowed down. Your last post said it wasn't. If the ball were not hit, it's nothing, play on.
Jim
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